Comments on: why tolerance should not be tolerated http://zornog.net/blog/2008/09/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/ the current and continual leader of the josh belville all-stars! Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:01:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Josh http://zornog.net/blog/2008/09/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Josh Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:16:00 +0000 http://zornog.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/#comment-22 Hmmm ... either italicizing of that phrase you put forward, Heidi, makes me think the same thing. But yeah, in the end it's semantics. And in a way I am making a sweeping generalization about Christians. I have thus separated Christians into three groups:<br/><br/>1. Everyday Christians, who are just living life the best way that they can. Sometimes they mess up, but in the end they are striving toward a good life,<br/>2. Fundamentalist Christians, who are just crazy, and,<br/>3. My family, who are the nicest people I've ever met. And happen to be Christians. hehe. :D Hmmm … either italicizing of that phrase you put forward, Heidi, makes me think the same thing. But yeah, in the end it’s semantics. And in a way I am making a sweeping generalization about Christians. I have thus separated Christians into three groups:

1. Everyday Christians, who are just living life the best way that they can. Sometimes they mess up, but in the end they are striving toward a good life,
2. Fundamentalist Christians, who are just crazy, and,
3. My family, who are the nicest people I’ve ever met. And happen to be Christians. hehe. :D

]]> By: MOH! http://zornog.net/blog/2008/09/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/comment-page-1/#comment-21 MOH! Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:32:00 +0000 http://zornog.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/#comment-21 Danny came from states away to tell me about this Blog post, and I think his journey was worth it. I'm glad you chose to rant here, and you both, Josh and Scott, are right on in what you're saying. I don't see you as disagreeing.<br/><br/>Perhaps I can suggest another idiom using "called" to help shine it in the positive light that seems to have been intended. I'm reminded of the joy of people who have "found their calling". It's something that brings them peace and happiness, and that just feels right. It doesn't mean it's always easy, and Scott I appreciate that additional note that love isn't just for the happy mushy gushy times, but I see it as absolutely positive.<br/><br/>I can also understand how <i>some</i> people would say not "I am <i>called</i> to love", but "<i>I</i> am called to love"... so the focus becomes the one of egoic superiority you picked up on earlier, Josh. It's a completely different intention under the same semantics.<br/><br/>I really appreciate the clarity you've brought forward in this tolerance distinction. Who knew the genius behind the AK EP was capable of so much? Danny came from states away to tell me about this Blog post, and I think his journey was worth it. I’m glad you chose to rant here, and you both, Josh and Scott, are right on in what you’re saying. I don’t see you as disagreeing.

Perhaps I can suggest another idiom using “called” to help shine it in the positive light that seems to have been intended. I’m reminded of the joy of people who have “found their calling”. It’s something that brings them peace and happiness, and that just feels right. It doesn’t mean it’s always easy, and Scott I appreciate that additional note that love isn’t just for the happy mushy gushy times, but I see it as absolutely positive.

I can also understand how some people would say not “I am called to love”, but “I am called to love”… so the focus becomes the one of egoic superiority you picked up on earlier, Josh. It’s a completely different intention under the same semantics.

I really appreciate the clarity you’ve brought forward in this tolerance distinction. Who knew the genius behind the AK EP was capable of so much?

]]> By: Josh http://zornog.net/blog/2008/09/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/comment-page-1/#comment-20 Josh Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:57:00 +0000 http://zornog.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/#comment-20 I just don't understand why you don't say love -- why the need to add "called to" as a prefix? Especially if the term "called to love" means "to love"? I know I'm misinterpreting your definition, but that's because semantically it looks like it means the opposite of what you intend -- I don't see "called to love" as a positive, valiant sort of thing, I see it as a parallel to being "called to work," something a lot of people don't necessarily enjoy, but do anyway because they have to. And I think loving someone should be natural, not forced.<br/><br/>Anyway, you're right, I should've asked you first, but I didn't really want to get involved with that e-mail discussion, I just wanted to rant, and I usually rant here, because I assume no one reads it. :) Guess I was wrong! I just don’t understand why you don’t say love — why the need to add “called to” as a prefix? Especially if the term “called to love” means “to love”? I know I’m misinterpreting your definition, but that’s because semantically it looks like it means the opposite of what you intend — I don’t see “called to love” as a positive, valiant sort of thing, I see it as a parallel to being “called to work,” something a lot of people don’t necessarily enjoy, but do anyway because they have to. And I think loving someone should be natural, not forced.

Anyway, you’re right, I should’ve asked you first, but I didn’t really want to get involved with that e-mail discussion, I just wanted to rant, and I usually rant here, because I assume no one reads it. :) Guess I was wrong!

]]> By: Scott Cornwall http://zornog.net/blog/2008/09/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/comment-page-1/#comment-19 Scott Cornwall Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:21:00 +0000 http://zornog.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/#comment-19 And just so there isn't more misunderstanding, I want you to know what I mean by "called to love." It is a positive euphemism of - to love, care for, and be committed to the other person. And just so there isn’t more misunderstanding, I want you to know what I mean by “called to love.” It is a positive euphemism of – to love, care for, and be committed to the other person.

]]> By: Scott Cornwall http://zornog.net/blog/2008/09/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/comment-page-1/#comment-18 Scott Cornwall Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:42:00 +0000 http://zornog.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/#comment-18 I'm sorry Josh, but you are way off in what you are saying. I am called to love my family. I am called to love my wife. I am called to love my enemies. Sometimes this is easy, sometimes not. It's not that it is a chore. And it's not that it is something I don't want to do. But, yes, sometimes love takes a little more work than just falling into it. (Wait until you get married, if you choose to do so.) There are times in disagreement that it seems easier to walk away and just forget about the other person. But because I have made a commitment of love I stay and work it out. Deep down, even though there is conflict, there is still a deep caring for the other person and I know it is worth it to stick it out.<br/><br/>Next time before you go off in a rant, you might ask me what I mean. Because honestly your supposing of what I meant by what I said couldn't be farther from the truth. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I’m sorry Josh, but you are way off in what you are saying. I am called to love my family. I am called to love my wife. I am called to love my enemies. Sometimes this is easy, sometimes not. It’s not that it is a chore. And it’s not that it is something I don’t want to do. But, yes, sometimes love takes a little more work than just falling into it. (Wait until you get married, if you choose to do so.) There are times in disagreement that it seems easier to walk away and just forget about the other person. But because I have made a commitment of love I stay and work it out. Deep down, even though there is conflict, there is still a deep caring for the other person and I know it is worth it to stick it out.

Next time before you go off in a rant, you might ask me what I mean. Because honestly your supposing of what I meant by what I said couldn’t be farther from the truth. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

]]> By: Megan http://zornog.net/blog/2008/09/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/comment-page-1/#comment-17 Megan Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:59:00 +0000 http://zornog.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/why-tolerance-should-not-be-tolerated/#comment-17 I don't have anything particularly insightful to say, except that, I agree, and I think you got it spot on.<br/><br/>I grew up in church, and the mindset that allows Christians to treat love as a chore has always bothered me, too. <br/><br/>So yeah, good post. I don’t have anything particularly insightful to say, except that, I agree, and I think you got it spot on.

I grew up in church, and the mindset that allows Christians to treat love as a chore has always bothered me, too.

So yeah, good post.

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